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AvX Consequences
Now that AvX Consequences is over, I'm a bit disappointed about it actually. It's of course ten times better than AvX but that's not hard and it has a couple of great scenes, but overall it feels a bit shallow on characterisation and rather trite on the thematics front.
The letter from Cyclops especially didn't work. Gillen pushed very hard the "new Xavier & Magneto" dynamics and that's really not something they've established enough with Logan. (There are other issues with Cyke, but those are minor.) Also the unsubtleness just makes me roll my eyes.

Point One As usual it's more a series of teaser than anything. It didn't really change my opinion on anything: I was excited about Young Avengers and now I'm still excited about Young Avengers. I was cautiously interested about FF and now I'm cautiously interested about FF. I intrigued by Cable & X-Force and now I'm still intrigued about Cable & X-Force. I didn't give a shit about about Nova or Nick Fury Jr and now I still don't give a shit about Nova and Nick Fury Jr. *shrugs* Though I guess I liked it better than last years'. It seems better constructed.

Uncanny Avengers #1
wow, Rogue's punch really does come out of nowhere in being a U Turn on Rogue's Children's Crusade characterizations. >_<

Deadpool #1
I think it's off to a fun start. I already like the start of the supporting cast. I wasn't very optimistic about it, so I'm pleasantly surprised although it's hard from showing yet the depth of characterisation I'd love best.

Iron Man #1
I'm probably not much qualified to say much about it, but I wasn't particularly hooked in.

All New X-Men #1
A bit meh. Nothing really surprising but perhaps that's because we saw so much already in previews. The X-Men spend most of it flailing in a very Bendis manner. Characters are hazy. But it's not horrible either. Just... slow.

X-Men Legacy #1
Pretty awesome pulp vibe; sometimes a little bit too much on the confusing side, but a promising title, definitely.

Thor God of Thunder #1
Very good. I wasn't sold on the concept at all but this was a very good issue. Atmospheric and dynamic, very immediately intriguing.

F4 #1
Much less good. It doesn't do a bad job of establishing things but it, I dunno, it was neither exciting nor endearing.

Avengers Assemble #9
This reads like Avengers movieverse fanfics. By which I mean good Avengers movieverse fanfics. Fun, dynamic, pitch perfect characters beats & interaction.

Deadpool #2
I was a bit less into it. Not bad, but certainly no additional depth and fewer of the jokes made me smile.

Ironman #2
Still bored.

FF #1
Good stuff! Very decisive & loveable tone and vibe and solid character establishing. I think I'll like this title much more than F4.

Uncanny Avengers #2
Slightly better than #1, mostly on the strength of Wanda and Rogue's scenes. I still want to punch Logan, Cap & Thor; also my strong dislike for pulp Nazis is really getting in the way of my enjoyment of this.

Still has pacing/too much speaking problems; but does so in a way that is intense and riveting so far; so good enough and does makes the best of its premise. It's such a relief to see Kitty written by anyone else than Aaron.

Legacy #2
Even more confusing, still rather intriguing; but it's going to need to get some sort of solid focus soon to keep on being interesting. Gets some points for that one panel of Frenzy being sassy though.

A+X #2
Loads of fun. PAD should write Kitty more often.

Thor #2
Continues being solidly good in a very distinct way. I do enjoy young!Thor's cockiness.

Not feeling the way Bendis introduces changes to the characters' powers and their dynamics. Most of their voices are way off and they feel OOC. Magneto's the only one half way good. Heh.

Avengers #1
I feel like I've just watched a trailer. A pompous, boring and incoherent trailer. Also, never a big fan of huge numbers of casualty done in a throwaway manner, and the way they try to tying to the moves falls very flat (unlike, say, Avengers Assemble).

Journey into Mystery #646
Nice! Good flow, nice characterisation & dialogue, cool premise and set up, lovely art.

Iron Man #3
Slightly better. I guess it has earned itself another 3 issues to see if it gets good.

Thunderbolts #1
That... neither repulsed nor hooked me. Which isn't exactly what I'd call a great job for a first issue, but huh. I'll give it another issue or two.

Cable & X-Force #1
Not really sure about the premise yet; but the issue won me over with the Cable & Hope interaction. Not that Dom and Forge were bad. (damnit, why can't Wade be in this book?)

Avengers Assemble #10
Still not sure if it should be considered a Marvel NOW book, but anyway, it continues to feature excellent character beats / character interaction and also ramp up the tension big time. Especially loved the exchange between Cap & Cap.

F4 #2
Better, but probably mostly because I like the FF crowd so... story proper starts next issue I presume. We'll see then.

Still unsure whether or not I want to bother checking out the new Cap & Hulk. I mean, they're not titles I'd be interested on my own, but they seem to have good reviews.

Date: 13 December 2012 07:12 am (UTC)
beckerbell: (Default)
From: [personal profile] beckerbell
I've only just read Avengers #1 now and... I have no idea what's going on? Is this a reboot? A retelling of the origins of the Avengers expanding their ranks? I have no clue and I have to say, I'm with you on how utterly BORING that was. If this is Marvel's big flagship book now... ouch. At least Uncanny Avengers got a reaction out of me, even if I was frustrated beyond belief over Rogue's characterization.

Date: 13 December 2012 07:25 am (UTC)
beckerbell: (Default)
From: [personal profile] beckerbell
Out of curiosity, what would you say was wrong with Wanda's characterization? I haven't yet read issue #2 (that's on my plate for in a minute here) and I don't know Wanda as well as I do Rogue, so maybe I'm unaware of what's off with her, but I felt like I really liked that she was sick and tired of hating herself for what happened. She was still trying to make amends, it wasn't okay, but she was done with self-loathing and I liked that?

I'm hopeful that Avengers will get better in the long run then and, oh, I think I might have to start reading Avengers Assemble then! But, wow, I am not touching Avengers Arena with a ten foot pole, for serious. That sounds awful.

Date: 13 December 2012 07:55 am (UTC)
beckerbell: (Default)
From: [personal profile] beckerbell
Going back to reread that conversation, I see where you're coming from and I can't really entirely disagree. Yet I'm having the worst time articulating why Wanda's reactions didn't ping me in the same way as Rogue's did. I think it's because I can believe Wanda's response, whether or not I agree with her?

I think I understand where she's coming from and why she has issues with mutants, even if I think she's not really getting that mutants are a minority and it's not just about being ~*special*~ or having ~*powers*~ but that they were an entire thriving culture and that that was important. As well as you're right about how there were kids that died during M-Day and a shitload more kids died because the mutants were piled on when they were down, by those who wanted to wipe them out. (It was brutal being a fan of those kids. T__T)

But, given that I think of Wanda as someone who... she probably tried for a lot of years to mend her family (with Magneto and Pietro especially) and yet the mutant crusade her father went on always seemed to come first, always tore everyone apart, and I can see why she'd be angry and resentful of the whole idea of mutants. Why she would think the divide between mutants and regular humans should be wiped out.

And then I think she has a right to be angry about what happened to her during Avengers Dissassembled, the way she was SICK and they were going to KILL HER for that, but... that was an Avengers thing and I don't think it's fair to take it out on the X-Men. But they also have piled on her and they treated her like shit in A:CC (though, I generally think that characterization should be thrown out the window, it was so awful, I love Heinberg, but he can't write the X-Men at all) despite that she wasn't in control of herself. They'll forgive everyone else for their mistakes, they'll forgive a person not in control of himself/herself with the Phoenix (as Rogue is doing for Scott here), but they turn on her instead?

Which isn't excusing what she's saying! Just that I can see where she's coming from, so I don't mind it being in there, because Wanda's still got a lot to work through. Whereas Rogue just... urgh. No. That was terrible. Does that make sense? That I don't think Wanda would be that callous, not until she was pushed into an argument like this with Rogue and she'd had enough.

Date: 13 December 2012 12:46 pm (UTC)
tangeriner: (ricstar: first kiss)
From: [personal profile] tangeriner
Slow is the best descriptor I've heard for All New X-Men. I was crazy bananas excited for this series. Because original five! in modern times! But snail's pace. I liked 1 and 2 well enough, but 3, meh.

Also, I think you have convinced me to give Cable and X-Force a chance. That was the only X-title I was a little ambivalent about.

Date: 13 December 2012 09:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tangeriner
Oh, yes, I agree. Hopefully, he can get a handle on all of them. Also, I'm annoyed everyone else met their counterparts, but my beloved Angels have not met each other. /irrational Angel fan.

Haha, I actually quite like Hope as well. Hopefully, they still have some copies by the time I manage to get to the comic book store!

Date: 13 December 2012 03:34 pm (UTC)
brooms: (bless)
From: [personal profile] brooms
Legacy #2
Even more confusing, still rather intriguing; but it's going to need to get some sort of solid focus soon to keep on being interesting.

isn't looking for and saving those random kids the new focus? it sounded like david's going to get into some rescue mission, which was a bit disappointing to me for reasons i can't quite articulate.

scottish twang remains hard to read.

Date: 13 December 2012 07:59 pm (UTC)
solesakuma: (Default)
From: [personal profile] solesakuma
My general reaction has been 'okay, stop with the set-up and give me plots, people!'.

Iron Man is not being good right now - and honestly, I'm not entirely sure Gillen gets Tony. (The playboy bits are sorta awful. Tony does have sex with tons of women, but it's been consistently canon that he remembers them and more importantly, that they actually like him afterwards.) That and the art. I can't really get over it. :( /fangirl whining

I liked Avengers, as set-up.

JiM 646 was great. Probably one of my favourites alongside Captain Marvel and Hawkeye.

Cap's book was... hm, it didn't hook me or anything, but it was not bad either. That said, Cap is the worst offender when it comes to pulp Nazis.

I might pick up Thor's book because people are really liking it in general and I trust your judgement. And I would pick up a few X-books if I had more time :(

Date: 13 December 2012 09:16 pm (UTC)
solesakuma: (Default)
From: [personal profile] solesakuma
An arc is supposed to start in Issue 6, but I think it's bad strategy if you want to hook readers.

I meant 'I liked Avengers, with the caveat that I waaaant plooooot nooow' :P

Date: 13 December 2012 09:48 pm (UTC)
solesakuma: (Default)
From: [personal profile] solesakuma
Well, TBH, I ship Steve/Tony and it has Tony being creepy and barging into Steve's room and silly 'I REMEMBER LIKE IT WAS YESTERDAY' lines. And Tony whump! So IDK what I see, but I'm certainly sure of what my Id is liking about it.

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