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Etrangere ([personal profile] salinea) wrote2010-06-04 03:37 pm
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Meme gacked from [livejournal.com profile] marthawells

Sandra McDonald's periodic table of women in science fiction...annotated

Bold the women by whom you own books
Italicize those by whom you've read something of (short stories count)
Star those of whom you've never heard



Andre Norton
C. L. Moore*
Evangeline Walton*
Leigh Brackett
Judith Merril*
Joanna Russ
Margaret St. Clair*
Katherine MacLean*
Carol Emshwiller*
Marion Zimmer Bradley
Zenna Henderson*
Madeline L’Engle
Angela Carter
Ursula LeGuin
Anne McCaffrey
Diana Wynne Jones
Kit Reed*
James Tiptree, Jr.
Rachel Pollack*
Jane Yolen*
Marta Randall*
Eleanor Arnason*
Ellen Asher*
Patricia A. McKillip
Suzy McKee Charnas*
Lisa Tuttle
Nina Kiriki Hoffman*
Tanith Lee
Pamela Sargeant*
Jayge Carr*
Vonda McIntyre
Octavia E. Butler
Kate Wilhelm*
Chelsea Quinn Yarbro*
Sheila Finch*
Mary Gentle
Jessia Amanda Salmonson*
C. J. Cherryh
Joan D. Vinge
Teresa Nielsen Hayden
Ellen Kushner
Ellen Datlow*
Nancy Kress
Pat Murphy*
Lisa Goldstein
Elizabeth Ann Scarborough
Mary Turzillo*
Connie Willis
Barbara Hambly
Nancy Holder*
Sheri S. Tepper
Melissa Scott*
Margaret Atwood
Lois McMaster Bujold
Jeanne Cavelos*
Karen Joy Fowler*
Leigh Kennedy*
Judith Moffett*
Rebecca Ore*
Emma Bull
Pat Cadigan
Kathyrn Cramer
Laura Mixon*
Eileen Gunn*
Elizabeth Hand*
Kij Johnson*
Delia Sherman
Elizabeth Moon
Michaela Roessner*
Terri Windling*
Sharon Lee*
Sherwood Smith*
Katherine Kurtz
Margo Lanagan*
Laura Resnick
Kristine Kathryn Rusch
Sheila Williams*
Farah Mendlesohn*
Gwyneth Jones*
Ardath Mayhar*
Esther Friesner*
Debra Doyle*
Nicola Griffith*
Amy Thomson*
Martha Wells
Catherine Asaro*
Kate Elliott
Kathleen Ann Goonan*
Shawna McCarthy*
Caitlin Kiernan*
Maureen McHugh*
Cheryl Morgan*
Nisi Shawl*
Mary Doria Russell
Kage Baker
Kelly Link*
Nancy Springer*
J. K. Rowling
Nalo Hopkinson*
Ellen Klages*
Tanarive Due*
M. Rickert*
Theodora Goss*
Mary Anne Mohanraj*
S. L. Viehl*
Jo Walton*
Kristine Smith*
Deborah Layne*
Cherie Priest*
Wen Spencer*
K. J. Bishop
Catherynne M. Valente
Elizabeth Bear
Ekaterina Sedia
Naomi Novik
Mary Robinette Kowal
Ann VanderMeer

I'd love to see a lot of SFF bloggers do this meme :)

[identity profile] xraytheenforcer.livejournal.com 2010-06-04 02:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I highly recommend Margo Lanagan and Jane Yolen.
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[identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com 2010-06-04 02:28 pm (UTC)(link)
thank you! Noted! Any particular title in mind?

[identity profile] xraytheenforcer.livejournal.com 2010-06-04 02:49 pm (UTC)(link)
For Yolen, I'd start with Sister Light, Sister Dark, Book 1 in the Books of Great Alta.

http://www.amazon.com/Sister-Light-Dark-Book-Great/dp/0765343576

It's really just a lovely series and strongly female-positive without being cloying. I should note that Yolen writes mostly YA in the vein of Cooper, meaning that it's intelligent, sophisticated YA that anyone can enjoy.

Lanagan is a whole different beast. She also technically writes YA, but her work can be pretty brutal. Her writing is phenomenal, though, and the compassion really comes through. I've only read her short stories, but Doug has also read her novel Tender Morsels, which he said was amazing but disturbing. Might want to start with Black Juice, which won a World Fantasy award and includes the short story "Singing My Sister Down." (it was this short story that brought her recognition outside of her native Australia.)
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[identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com 2010-06-05 02:46 pm (UTC)(link)
thank you! Added to my tbr list :)

[identity profile] ivy-chan.livejournal.com 2010-06-04 02:10 pm (UTC)(link)
May I please have suggestions on which of these are good reading? I have an SF female friend with some misguided views on female SF writers: she doesn't read women writers and thinks they write too emotionally, and she doesn't know of any 'real' SF women writers. Knows a couple Star Trek novelists who are women, but that's about it.
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[identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com 2010-06-04 02:27 pm (UTC)(link)
If she wants something not "emotional" (*snort*) I'd reccomend Mary Gentle and KJ Parker but they write mostly fantasy-(ish) stuff I think.

Bujold is always a very solid SF writer and usually popular with both male and female readers, try the Vorkosigan series.

Otherwise it kind of depends of her taste. None of them write hard sf though, depending on what's her definition of "real sf", if she's open to the idea of speculative sf as sociological and anthropological SF, I'd recommend LeGuin (of course), CS Friedman and Cherryh's Science Fiction novels.
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[identity profile] shimizu-hitomi.livejournal.com 2010-06-04 07:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Jumping in here, but I would recommend James Tiptree Jr., who wrote a lot of what I consider hard SF, mixed in with some softer SF... and who was widely believed to be male before her true identity was revealed.

Octavia Butler is also a good choice imo, though she wrote stuff more along the lines of LeGuin.

[identity profile] keelieinblack.livejournal.com 2010-06-04 02:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Ooh, I'll second the rec for Jane Yolen, and add one for Kelly Link--she's written some wonderful short stories (including one of my favorite retellings of "The Snow Queen"), and I am usually not a short story reader at all. I think she's made a couple of her collections available as free downloads, too.
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[identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com 2010-06-05 02:47 pm (UTC)(link)
thanks! I'll try to locate it. Anything named The Snow Queen can't be entirely bad :)
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[personal profile] hamsterwoman 2010-06-04 04:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I'll second the Kelly Link rec and (cautiously) sorta-third Yolen. Also, Esther Friesner.

Yolen -- I like her kid/YA short stories, quite a bit, but then I read one where a modern Jewish teenager gets transported to a concentration camp in order to help the women there and... let's just say I didn't think the execution was anywhere near what it would need to be to take on a story like that, so I've kind of cooled down on Yolen. It was an ambitious undertaking, and I respect the intent (Yolen's Jewish herself, btw), but it just did not work for me at all. But her other short stories are still quite nice!

I would heartily recommend Kelly Link (wonderful short stories, sort of magical realism-y -- Pretty Monsters was a very good collection, so I'd rec that if you wanted a bunch of them all at once) and I enjoy Esther Friesner, but I think part of that is my fondness for the Majyk books I read as a teen, even though her short stories are quite different (a good deal darker) and quite good.
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[personal profile] hamsterwoman 2010-06-04 04:41 pm (UTC)(link)
In counterweight, the Yolen short stories I really enjoy: "Mama Gone" and "Winter's King".
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[identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com 2010-06-05 02:49 pm (UTC)(link)
That definitely sounds like a difficult topic to tackle SFF, yeah.

thank you! Adding Pretty Monsters to my list :)

[identity profile] cyshobbitlass.livejournal.com 2010-06-04 04:52 pm (UTC)(link)
There are like four womaen on that list I could bold and one I could italize. Lol fail.

No Jacqueline Carey on the list, btw? Huh.
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[identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com 2010-06-04 04:56 pm (UTC)(link)
yeah there are a lot of people missing from this list I could think of, Carey included. Some of which I mention to ivy_chan above :)
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[identity profile] misstopia.livejournal.com 2010-06-04 06:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I think [livejournal.com profile] haremstress likes Esther Friesner ... I could be making this up though ...
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[identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com 2010-06-05 02:49 pm (UTC)(link)
hopefully she'll tell me :)

[identity profile] q99.livejournal.com 2010-06-04 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
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C. J. Cherryh-

Huh, I had no idea she was a woman.
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[identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com 2010-06-04 07:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Really? Haha; I guess that always happens at times. Probably only know it because the first books I read of her had her pics on the back cover.

[identity profile] shimizu-hitomi.livejournal.com 2010-06-04 07:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I should do this, but sadly I only recognize most of these names from various online forums and discussions and have probably read like.... about five of them. XDDD
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[identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com 2010-06-04 07:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I haven't read all that many of them either x_x. More guilting about books unread :)

[identity profile] shiinabambi.livejournal.com 2010-06-04 07:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I have a friend who's madly in love with Caitlin Kiernan. She's published by a small press, and her books were insanely expensive last I checked, so I haven't gotten a chance to read her, but I remember hearing that her writing is very stylized, and she wrote in the present tense before it was cool.

Oh, and she did this wonderful Farscape fancomic, which was mostly about Chiana having lesbian adventures pre-Moya, I was going to link it, but the site seems to be down. :(
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[identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com 2010-06-05 02:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm don't think I'm going to read any book that's insanely expensive to get, but my ears totally perked up at "Chiana having lesbian adventures pre-Moya"; I hope there's a place those fanfics might have survived the site getting down.

[identity profile] shiinabambi.livejournal.com 2010-06-05 09:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Her books may have come down in price--last I checked was years ago, she might have gotten a better deal now or something.

I can't find the Chiana story anywhere, but if you want to look into it, her LJ is [livejournal.com profile] greygirlbeast.

[identity profile] flo-nelja.livejournal.com 2010-06-05 10:13 am (UTC)(link)
*est allée faire le mème entre temps*

Je suis impressionnée par le nombre de livres que tu as !

Tiens, quand j'y pense, je me demande si c'est conscient ou pas, ce choix de ne mettre que des auteurs anglophones dans la liste, mais à moins que ce soit de la provoc totale et volontaire "les femmes des autres pays ne savent pas faire de la sf", j'aurais apprécié que ce soit précisé quelque part, quand même...
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[identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com 2010-06-05 10:21 am (UTC)(link)
J'ai vu bcp de plus grandes librairies que la mienne :)


Dans le slideshow on voit Elisabeth Vornarburg, mais les gens qui l'ont fait on mis une liste plus courte dans un pdf qui est ce qui a été utilisé pour le meme; et même Vornarburg n'était probablement là que parcequ'elle a écrit en anglais je pense. Honnêtement l'Americanocentrisme (du moins, l'Anglophone-centrisme) est totalement typique dans ce genre de listes à la con et je ne pense pas qu'ils y aient seulement pensé ou pensé à ce que ca pourrait signifier pour certaines personnes.

[identity profile] flo-nelja.livejournal.com 2010-06-05 10:26 am (UTC)(link)
Oui, effectivement, si c'est spécialisé, je peux l'imaginer, alors disons plutôt... par la proportion de ce que tu as effectivement chez toi par rapport à ce que tu as lu. ^^

En pratique, c'est vrai que la plupart des auteurs de sf notables sont anglophones, mais justement, un peu de pub pour les autres ne ferait pas de mal, et ne risquerait même pas de distraire l'attention des auteurs anglophones. ^^
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[identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com 2010-06-05 02:52 pm (UTC)(link)
lol


ben ouais, le privilège est toujours énervant :(

[identity profile] elle-white.livejournal.com 2010-06-06 06:10 am (UTC)(link)
This interesting! I may have to try this meme one day!
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[identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com 2010-06-06 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
yes you do!