HP tarot

8 Feb 2006 11:11 pm
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[livejournal.com profile] theladyfeylene reminding me of the joy of applying Tarot to fandom + /me being bored at work today = /me doing a Harry Potter tarot. Which is stupid because 1/ I can't draw 2/ I can't even scan 3/ there's no HP pictures out there I'm willing to use for this 4/ There's got to be at least several dozens of those already on the net.
But *shrugs* whatever, here comes the babble.



1. The Magician : Harry Potter
Holding forth his familiar tools representing his mastery over the elements : the Invisible Coat (Air), the Firebold broom (Fire), the Marauder's Map (Earth) and the Half Blood Prince Potion book (Water)
Why : In most case, I think the main character is the best fit for the first card of the Tarot. The Magician is symbolical of a proactive figure, someone who's got all the means to act, even if he doesn't know how and what for yet, exactly.

2. The High Priestess : Luna Lovegood
Holding a closed copy of the Quibbler Report
Why : like the High Priestess, Luna represents a peculiar kind of knowledge, one that is spiritual as someone who's already been initiated to the mysteries of Death, intuitive and treackery. But her unobvious vision of truth is insightful and holds useful information to start one's journey toward enlighment.

3. The Empress : Neville Longbottom
Fondling his favourite plant
Why : Oh ! I hope a little bit of genderfuck doesn't put you off, does it ? Anyway, the Empress' advices are more grounded, common sense based though still sharp, than the High Priestess. Neville knowledge in herbology as well as his underestimated support relates with the Empress meanings of provider, prosperity and fertility.

Alternatively, you could have Ginny Weasley on this card. But then you would have no Neville anywhere, and that would be bad.

4. The Emperor : Ron Weasley
Carrying the Quidditch Cup
Why : "Weasley is our King", 'nuff said.

5. The Hierophant : Hermione Granger
With a big "Hogwarts, a History" book at hand
Why : Unlike the High Priestess, the Hierophant's knowledge is authoritative, it's one legitimized by society, exoteric and much more rationnal. It's a knowledge that is taught and learned, not discovered by the experience of one's life. Hermione's affinity for knowledge, her application to study and her good memory as well as the fact she's the most senstive to political issues among her friends makes her the best fit for this card.

6. The Lover : Draco Malfoy
Standing between Dumbledore and a Death Eater, wands wavering in his hand.
Why : forget anything about love, romance or couples, the Lover's about choice : being at a crossroad and making a decision about which way to follow from now on. In that scene, Draco is being repeatedly reminded that he's got a choice, that he could decide for himself what to do. And, no, I don't care that it's a chapter named after another Tarot card.

Alternatively, you could have Harry between Draco and Ron in the train from PS, but that's a scene a bit less resonant IMO.

7. The Charriot : Quidditch
Harry on a broom, grasping the Golden Snitch
Why : meanings of victory and success thanks to decisive action.

8. Justice : Sirius Black
In ragged Azkaban clothing, escaping the Dementors
Why : I'm very amused about my "Virtues" pick. The fun thing about the Maraudeurs is that they're so wonderfully flawed that they can fit with the reverse meanings of the card as well as the straight. Anyway, Sirius was judged hastily and without any fairness, punished for a crime he didn't commit, pursued vengeance mindlessly through PoA, and was only officially rehabilited onto death. His whole existence is a point about the lack of justice of the WW, and as such, prompts Harry to be careful about it. Sirius is also a character who can be surprisingly insightful about judging people (like the Crouches or his own family, or the infamous phrase about the world not being divided between good people and Death Eaters) even if he doesn't always act upon it.

9. The Hermit : Albus Dumbledore
Bended over a Pensieve, thin silver threads of memories being spelled into it.
Why : A lot of Dumebledore's advice seems to be about listening to what's inside, taking advice in introspection. And he might be quirky and friendly, but he's also a far, remote figure who doesn't share easily with others. His old age and intelligence finishes to make him fit in the Hermit card.

10. The Wheel of Fortune : The Prophecy
A ghostly figure of Sibyl Trelawney re-telling her Prophecy amid broken Time-turners, de-aged Death Eaters and other wreckage of the Room of Time in the Department of Mysteries.
Why : What better than a Prophecy to bring the meaning of the events outside your control happening and changing everything ?

11. Strength : Peter Pettigrew
Tending for an horrifying looking baby Voldemort
Why : Well since I was putting the three Marauders (James ? James who ?) on the three virtue cards, I had to put Peter on Strength, didn't I ? The Strength relates with courage and with apparent weakness. Though he's easily the most underestimated of the characters, Peter lacks neither bravery, nor abilities. Whether or not he might ultimately master his own inner demons, however, remains to be seen.

Alternatively : Lily facing Voldemort to protect Harry.

12. The Hanged Man : Severus Snape
Thrice bound by the Unbreakable Vows, the Dark Mark, and Dumebledore's orders. Or under a spell of Levicorpus for something more visual :)
Why : Duh. Easier fit in the whole lot. A character whose binding brings true spiritual freedom and hopefully redemption.

13. Death : The Killing Curse
Voldemort's using "Avada Kedavra" against baby Harry and seeing the curse returning against himself
Why : It's hard finding symbolical events reminescing of death that also relates to change and metamorphosis because of Voldemort's goal to vainquish death. Which is where using the one event where Voldemort's powers failed him is interesting.

Alternatively : Fawkes, as suggested by [livejournal.com profile] sophia_helix, over the White Tomb where all remaining members of the Order of the Phoenix are gathered.

14. Temperance : Remus Lupin
Drinking Wolfsbane as the moon slowly rises in a window behind him
Why : On one hand an amiable, polite, cautious person, on the other a bloodthirsty beast one night a month : talk about the melding of contraries. I think that Remus' careful and level headed nature makes him a good fit for Temperance.

15. The Devil : Tom Riddle
In the Charmber of Secret, an unconcious Ginny at his foot and the Basilisk in his thrall
Why : Tom Riddle stands for everything that is seductive about evil, the delusion of power as a justification onto itself, the selfish need to obey one's every whim, the temptation to forsake mastery of oneself.

16. The Tower : The Ministry of Magic
The elevator with every Department and divisions of the Ministry written on it, filled with Fudge, Umbridge, Percy, Scrimgeour and Arthur.
Why : The Tower is all about pride, and its failings. The Ministry's ambition, its authoritative grip and willfull blindness is surely its greatest flaws, and what has brought the Wizarding World closer and closer to disaster so far.

Alternatively : the wrecked remains of Grimmauld Place, once the house of a proud and noble family.

17. The Star : Patronus
Harry's Patronus rushing like a beacon of light to save his own former self and Sirius from the Dementors
Why : The Patronus charm is a symbol of everything that is good, hopeful and bright in one self, it's their own private lucky star.

18. The Moon : The Mirror of Erised
The mirror's reflection of what Harry desires, dreams of and yearns for, his dead family fading into the Philosopher Stone, as a double-faced Quirrelmort lurks behind him
Why : The Mirror of Erised's treacherous nature is very similar to the Moon's meanings. Dream, desires, subconcious whims, fears and, sometimes, useful inspiration.

19. The Sun : The Burrow
Harry and Ginny holding hands, with all the Weasleys and Hermione in the background. Very OBWF
Why : Remember when I said the Lover wasn't about love ? Well, the Sun is. It's also about happiness, prosperity, an ideal time or golden age one looks back at fondly.

20. The Judgement : Voldemort
Rising up from a cauldron, surrunded by a handless Peter, a bound Harry and a dead Cedric
Why : The card originally features a resurection in the flesh, of course Voldemort's is more tainted. However, his revival means a reckoning for both Harry and the Wizarding World, and it takes place at the end of the Triwizard Tournament : two things with symbolical meanings close to the Judgement card.

21.The World : Hogwarts
In feasting room, with the banners and colours of all four Houses flying as hundreds of students are gathered in it
Why : because it's the center of all thing, the battleground and the stake of the Harry Potter world in the context of the book.

The Fool : Hagrid
Wandering in the Forbidden Forrest, followed by his dog Fluffy
Why : NOT an easy card to pick. The HP books might be filled with various fools and mad people, but few who have both the meanings of innocence and wisdom and out-boundness of the card. Though I'm not fully happy with Hagrid there, there's several advantages to having him there : he's often shown himself to be naive and careless of consequences, he's often provided advices and informations to the Trio, he's an important characters in the books and to Harry so should feature on the Tarot.

Date: 8 February 2006 11:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] rainmage.livejournal.com
Oh, those choices are awesome!

Date: 9 February 2006 12:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laurus-nobilis.livejournal.com
I like that! It's great because you didn't simply go for the obvious.

Hmmm, someday I'll have to learn more about Tarot, if only for fandom purposes... (in spite of the number of Seers in my fics, I'm pretty McGonagall-like about the whole thing in real life).

Date: 9 February 2006 02:41 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] pandoraculpa.livejournal.com
(here via [livejournal.com profile] hogwarts_today)

This is very interesting, well thought-out and the correlations you've drawn seem very apt. It also makes me want to draw... If only I didn't have that ficathon hanging over my head!

Very neat ideas. It's going to have me thinking for a while. :)

Date: 9 February 2006 02:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shoeless-girl.livejournal.com
Here via [livejournal.com profile] hogwarts_today

I really like your choices here - they're well thought out :)

Tarot

Date: 9 February 2006 05:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darksumomo.livejournal.com
A-E, that looks like a really interesting project. I bet the wands would be a very powerful suit in this particular deck. *ducks*

Speaking of Tarot I've been drafted to supervise a Tarot-related project, too. I'd like to chat with you about how to match up *all* the cards in both the major and minor arcana with personality types and interests, the more unhinged the better. I'm tempted to go with the Thoth deck for that reason, but I'd like your advice. Email me at the address I use on AFU if you're interested.

Thanks!

Date: 9 February 2006 07:05 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com
Thanks you ^^

Date: 9 February 2006 07:07 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com
Thanks ! I like using counter-intuitive choices XD

Oh, I learned aout the Tarot from the internet, you just need time and roaming the web fearlessly ;) Nor do you need to believe in it to find the symbolical mainframes interesting

Date: 9 February 2006 07:09 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com
Thank you're very sweet :)

It makes me want to be able to draw, too, but no can do XD Good luck for your ficathon ^^

Feel free to express any thoughts here if you feel like it

Date: 9 February 2006 07:09 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com
Thank you for commenting ^_^

Re: Tarot

Date: 9 February 2006 07:12 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com
Thanks :) Oh, I don't know, the Cauldrons might be one too ^_^

Actually I would have to use the four Houses for the suits in such a Tarot : Gryffindor for fire/wand, Hufflepuff for earth/coins, Ravenclaws for air/swords and Slytherin for water/cups

I don't know much about minor arcanas, I'm afraid, and I don't know about the Thoth deck at all, but I'd be glad to help if I can. Will e-mail you ^^

Date: 9 February 2006 07:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophia-helix.livejournal.com
Hmm. Very interesting. I'm very impressed by some of the really creative and fitting picks (esp. love The Star and The Moon), but you wouldn't put Fawkes as Death? Aside from the obvious phoenix imagery, he seems to show up at big turning points for the characters (end of Books 2 and 6, etc.)

Of course, this is the sort of thing folks could quibble over all day. *g*

Date: 9 February 2006 08:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spikeyboots.livejournal.com
So fascinating. Some excellent analysis contained within. Snape as the Hanged Man fits perfectly, and I love the genderfuck choice of Neville.

Great reading.

Date: 9 February 2006 08:51 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com
Thank you ! Heh, quibbling is fun ^^ I like the idea of Fawke as Death, the symbolism is very fitting (*feels stupid for not thinking of it*) and it gives me an opportunity to have "The Order of the Phoenix" as a card which is something I feel was lacking. The only thing I don't like about it is it's a bit too positive an image for the Death card : even if it doesn't mean bad things as such, it's supposed to be rightfully scary card, and Fawke is more of a hopeful symbol.
I guess the best way to remedy to that is by an image from the White Tomb chapter feature there...

I'll put it as an alternative on my post, if you don't mind ?

Date: 9 February 2006 09:00 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed ! I'd seen mention of Snape as Hanged Man before so I can't take credit for that ;) Genderbending is love ♥

Date: 9 February 2006 10:02 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pauraque
Peter as Strength is pure genius!

Date: 9 February 2006 11:18 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com
*bows* thank you, I aim please *makes the secret Peter-admirer wink*

Date: 9 February 2006 01:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lisamartin.livejournal.com
Hello! I followed you here from [livejournal.com profile] daily_snitch (The Daily Snitch community in case my lj tag is bad) and I am likely going to refer a couple of people over here myself. May I c&p a sampling to entice people?

Also, I have one question : 19. The Sun : The Burrow
Harry and Ginny holding hands, with all the Weasleys and Hermione in the background. Very OBWF ... What is OBWF?

I do very much like all of the imagry and reasons you chose. Very well done. :)

Date: 9 February 2006 02:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amanuensis1.livejournal.com
Terrific! I like how Harry-centric the tarot is, rather than Dumbledore-centric. Loved your choices for The Star, Moon, and Sun especially!

Date: 9 February 2006 03:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com
Hello ! Thanks for passing by and commenting :) I don't mind at all, I'm flattered you want to link to it ^^

OBWF is an acronym for One Big Weasley Family, used by shippers of Ron/Hermione and Harry/Ginny in parallel, plus various other ones like Percy/Penelope, Bill/Fleur etc. Based upon the idea that in the end it will all come down to one big Weasley family with all the (important)characters in it (obviously those people are deluded and don't realize the importance of the Black family but that's my little opinion of rabid Black fangirl ^^)

Date: 9 February 2006 03:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com
Now, why would I ever do something Dumebledore-centric O_o ? Who cares about the old-geezer !

Thank you, I'm glad you like them ♥

I love your icon :)

Date: 10 February 2006 01:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jacyevans.livejournal.com
This was really, really well thought out! :D

Date: 10 February 2006 10:28 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com
thank you very, very much :)

Date: 10 February 2006 07:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] generalblossom.livejournal.com
oh, that sounds so much fun! Can you do *drools* ASOIAF one day? I wanna investigate that :)

And applying tarot is such a brilliant idea, if I wrote and plotted that would be so much fun!

Date: 10 February 2006 10:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com
O_O I think there's too many characters to fit in 22 cards. So that means I need to learn my minor arcanas better to work it out... but mmmmm definitly an interesting idea ^^

Date: 11 February 2006 07:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pixychelle.livejournal.com
What interesting choices! Probably not the choices most people would think of right off, but they made perfect sense (far more sense than the knee-jerk choices would, actually). I like. :)

Date: 11 February 2006 11:59 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com
Thanks ! I'm not even sure what the knee-jerk choices would have been XD I'm glad you liked my weird, paradoxal picks :)

Date: 9 February 2008 02:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophiap.livejournal.com
These are wonderful. A few of them absolutely leap out at me for their surprising perfection: The Sun, the Moon, and Temperance especially.

Date: 9 February 2008 02:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] etrangere.livejournal.com
Thank you :D

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