lazy and loving it

[salinea]

Howdy. My first official day of unemployment started with realising the internet wasn't working at home x_x happily, the thing got rectified this evening.

In case anybody wonders, I am not currently reading any HP fanfics. I'm not sure when I'll get the taste back (if ever?) feel free to defriend me if that fandom was all that interested you in me >_>;;

On the other hand, I'm finding more and more joy in the small and quiet but lovely asoiaf fandom. Yeah, I do mean fanfics. Lots of them are surprisingly good and well characterized, for those of you who love the books, would be curious and didn't know :p Theon's my new favourite character to slash srsly.

In a fit of madness, I apparently volunteered to write a ship_manifesto for Gerald/Damien. ^_^ That's going to be fun to do, even if there's an excellent essay on the ship out there which I can't surpass.

Comments

[scriva.livejournal.com]

Theon slash? Tell me more about it!

I can understand why an author prefers not to hear about fanfiction, but I don't understand hating it per se. If it's good, then it is just another way of discussing the characters and theories of a much loved book or TV show, and, well, if it's bad, I wouldn't read it. ^___^

(I have to admit that I like HP fanfic and essays much more than the books, because the different reading experiences are very interesting. Just like the different reading experiences of ASOIAF are interesting, even if sometimes you simply hit the limits of your and others perceptions.)

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

I have a thing for seeing sexist jerks slashed, I'm not sure why ^^ With Theon it started with reading a few genius Theon/Jon fics (I love hatesex, obviously) and the fact it's a brillant way to deal with both the boys issues and the reasons why they hate each others (basically, jealousy over Ned/belongingness to the family). Then, Theon/Robb is also brillant in a boysih worship/teenage discovering sex way. Wait a minute, I'll give you recs.

I can understand why an author prefers not to hear about fanfiction, but I don't understand hating it per se.
Words! I don't think GRRM hates fanfics, to his credit, I think he just doesn't think it's an appropriate way to learn the trade which is, well, condescending as hell, and kinda missing the point (lots of ficcers don't care for becoming profic writers), and rather goes against the way lots of people did learn the trade thanks. And yes, it's totally a way to do a commentary as well. Well. Fanfics are many things. The urge to narrate is one of the most primordial urge for people. That's a lot of what it is.

I agree with you on HP fics & essays. Most of the fun was the activity around it. While this is partly to JKR's credit in writing compelling character with just a few sketching lines, there's much to be said about the way a community can appropriate a text, any text, and use it as a basis for interpretation, socialization and creativity, and it's a wicked kind of fun. With ASOIAF, well, I don't think I would have enjoyed the novels as much either were it not for the amount of discussion I participated to, even though I already liked it a great deal.

[schemingreader.livejournal.com]

It seems like a lot of my flist is losing interest in HP, but I'm still writing it. Too bad for me! I am trying to work on an original fic--do you want to be on my reading filter for that?

I'm around during the days but trying really hard to be productive and responsible, so not on chat too much. I would love to have a chat "date" with you some time, though.

[catrionamacnair.livejournal.com]

I am shocked to find the idea of Theon slash intriguing.

[podrick.livejournal.com]

I will understand if people start unfriending me someday because of my failure to appear in livejournal very often. ;) Still its nice in the meantime!

And just to make this substantive...good luck again with finding a new job. But enjoy your extra free time while you have it!

I do agree about the reason for GRRM's views on fanfiction. He thinks people should be making up their own worlds if they want to become a serious writer. Its good practice. Which is strange because I always had the impression that GRRM did his own fan fics when young but maybe I just misinterpreted that. Or maybe he feels it was wasted creativity.

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

there's one Jon/Theon drabble and here's one Robb/Theon fic by redcandle, b (who is probably the best and most prolific asoiaf fic writer, she does a lot of Sandor/Sansa if that strikes your fancy)

Here's another brillant Jon/Theon fic by woodfall.

Another Theon/Jon from yuletide by strippedhalo, even though I didn't like it as much.

(some of these fics are under flock but you need only join the community to be able to read them)

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[scriva.livejournal.com]

Okay, I can sort of see both pairings and the appeal, but it would take a really good writer to make Theon/Jon believable to me. ;)

I guess "hate" was a bit strong. I can understand and appreciate TP's perception of fanfiction, not wanting to read it, so people won't start to say "you stole my ideas", because I totally see his point.

ETA: Re Theon. I think characters like Theon - little assholes - are lots of fun to write, because you can live out your own "assholish" tendencies and also have a jab at them.

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

I just posted the recs under ^^

as i say, if any other pairing intrigues you (I can vouch for Jaime/Arthur, for example, and there's plenty of Sandor/Sansa, Jaime/Brienne etc. around) the community is small but productive and as frequent in small fic community, the quality is good.

[scriva.livejournal.com]

LOL. The first drabble was fun. I didn't like the other fic so much.

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

OMG, you hadn't even friended me before, you bastard :p

I blame you for GRRM's idiotic view of fanfics! ^^ Nah, seriously, as I was saying above, not every ficcers want to become serious writers, and some manage it despite having learned by writing derivative fiction (fanfics being only a special kind of reviled derivative fiction because it uses characters not in the public domain - see things like Robin Hood & King Arthur fantasy which nobody objects too, or books like Wicked, March, or The Wind Long Gone which actually get substantial academic acclaim - or because they're not commercialized within a franchise)

Re: Reposted for an addition

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

can understand and appreciate TP's perception of fanfiction, not wanting to read it, so people won't start to say "you stole my ideas", because I totally see his point.
Oh absolutly!

The awful thing is I like Theon, even though I think he's an asshole. I actually feel sorry for him ^^. I haven't tried writing him and have no idea whether I'd like it for the reason you mention...

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

you've got a reading filters for original fic? Oh, of course I want to be there.

Well, as long as it interests you to write HP fics you should definitly do it ^^ I feel sorry for not reading them, but well, I have trouble summoning much enthousiasm.

One of the thing I hate most about living at my parents' is not having msn/aim/whateverm here so I can't chat with you and a few others :( I'm terribly missing it. I hope I can fix that soon and we can get that chat date ^^

[mamculuna.livejournal.com]

I'm not that into fanfic of any kind, but if I were, it would be that! I can see Theon-slash...

[podrick.livejournal.com]

Fair points about fanfics. If I could write, coming up with a few could be a lot of fun. :) And fun is good.

lol...I cannot deny my bastardom. While I have the account for ever, I only added a few friends 9 months ago. I should have chased everyone down but I fail at LJ. And at least you didn't have to wonder why I was an ever silent friend if I had friended you. :p (Hope you hadn't friended me too long ago either before I noticed).

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

(Hope you hadn't friended me too long ago either before I noticed).
Nah, I'm fairly sure it dates from a couple of weeks ago.

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

yay for Theon slash love!

[lodessa.livejournal.com]

I totally support the Theon slash movement.

[mamculuna.livejournal.com]

I <3 ugly little bastard with heart of ...gold?

[after-nightfall.livejournal.com]

Well, since I'm spamming your LJ like whoa today, I might as well go the whole way. :-)

Hmmm, ASOIAF fanfic... yes, I did read some of redcandle17's stories No offence to her, I hope, because it really is good writing. She does "moments", impressions and character studies well. But every Sandor/Sansa post-AFFC meeting fic just falls so... flat. I'm not sure how to explain it any better than that, but maybe it's because GRRM already wove such a rich, complicated fabric of the story that it's really difficult to add something without simplifying or twisting it (JKR, au contraire, left a lot unsaid, which sometimes makes for fanfics that are better than the originals).

So, while the fanfic is a guilty pleasure because I'm not getting enough ASOIAF fix, it generally leaves me unsatisfied. The contrast is just too great.

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

wicked!

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

That makes sense. I don't read those fanfics to expect something like the book, so it doesn't disapoint on that side. It's fanfics, it's... supposed to scratch an itch ^^ that it does pretty well.

[lodessa.livejournal.com]

Indeed. The delight of wrongness cannot be denied.

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

only if you dig very deeply ^^ (copper maybe?)

[mamculuna.livejournal.com]

Ugly little bastard with heart of lust for gold? Or maybe just lust?

Gotta love him!