Bite me

[salinea]

Back from the dentist. Teeth fucking hurts. Hurts. Hurts. But not as much as reading about the imbrioglio from Wiscon. (Read about it here, here, and here). The last part thankfully, brings in the good, thinky and fuckyoustillnotashamedsucker part. Yay.

However so not the day for a friend (?) to make pithy comments about my teeth or bad breath which are going to repell men, you know? Not funny in the first place, definitly not funny when I hurt, still not funny when I tell you I don't think it's funny and you keep doing it. Thanks for reminding me how much being a woman, my whole life is supposed to revolve around how attractive I am (or not).

Teeth still fucking hurts.

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[catrionamacnair.livejournal.com]

*hugs*

Nothing worse than toothace, quoth the hypochondriac.

Then again, people with the tact of a drunk hedgehog on cold turkey are probably competing the badness position.

In your situation, I would point out to said person how women certainly got laid during Shakespeare's time, which saw a certain lack of personal hygenie, whereas women being a pain in the arse got burned at a stake.

In my situation, I offer more hugs, a wee dram of whisky, and a lighter in case you need to burn anyone.

[xraytheenforcer.livejournal.com]

I saw the Wiscon thing, and contemplated posting about it myself. It depressed me all to hell, though. Socially marginalized nerds picking on the EVEN MORE marginalized fat nerds. Then again, I think back to posts made about Primordial Man on our boards focusing on his weight (which I tried to curtail) and I realize that there is so much fat hate, it's just accepted as rational discourse.

And I don't accept the "but I'm fat myself" argument. I don't see much sympathy for Uncle Toms on the race equation, so why should the high-BMI ones get a pass?

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

In my experience nerds love mocking each others. Sometimes it's fun self-derision I love reading Something Positive myself after all, sometimes it's done in order that at least they are not as bad as THOSER dorks. Now, them, they're the real deal! Mocking people who are even lower than you in the geek social hierarchy has been a method to try to make yourself better since time immemorial.

I realize that there is so much fat hate, it's just accepted as rational discourse.
It's just one of the accepted target try to make a serious argument against it, and unless the people you talk to are somewhat sensitivized to the issue they're going to fall back on "but there's a real problem of obesity" arguments, if they even take you seriously enough for that.


And I don't accept the "but I'm fat myself" argument. I don't see much sympathy for Uncle Toms on the race equation, so why should the high-BMI ones get a pass?
Wordy McWordiness!

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

Thanks! *hugs*

haha, good answer, but would work better if that friend wasn't male.

Mmmmm, whisky! ^_^ Mmmmmm burning...

[strangerface.livejournal.com]

People should never make jokes to women about their smells. It is known.

Is there a fandom wank entry for this? I feel like I missed out a bit.

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it's way over the line :)


I don't know if it's on F_W. It started on Something Awful, and the Angry Black Woman is, AFAIK, the first blog to mention the issue.

[catrionamacnair.livejournal.com]

I visited London with my English A-Level Class during 11th grade. We visited the Globe Theatre. They had an awesome guy doing the tour. At one stage, he asked all of us to cheer him, the stand-in for the Bard.
"That's great! Now imagine you all doing that, arms raised in the air and you all packed next to your neighbours' armpits, in an age where showering and deodorants were unknown."
Works for men as well, imho. All the Minnelieder of the world, as artful as they may be, are a bit difficult to take into consideration when the noble lord smells like a pigsty on a summer day. Hence: Men can consider themselves lucky as well. And as the obvious choice for someone to burn was an annoying scientist, men certainly got burned for getting on peoples' nerves as well :p

I still can't believe Scottish Whisky is cheaper in Germany than here -_-

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

the more I think about it, the less I think using past oppression of [women for being pain in the ass, men for being annoying scientist, or all the heretics, pagans & jews who were victimized] as a good come back. I appreciate your support though :) but I don't think it's an appropriate line even if it's a very long way off.

[catrionamacnair.livejournal.com]

I know. It's what I do when I am offended on a good day - come up with a reasonable historic reply, swallow it, and imagine something like a very efficient voodoo doll ruining said person's day in simple terms such as broken tvs or other reasonable matters :)

[sistermagpie.livejournal.com]

Much sympathy for me over your teeth.

Thanks for those links--depressing as this story is...

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

thank you :) it's getting better...

and yes :( coffeandink posted other entries about Wiscon focussing on the awesome panels and stuff like this, I believe :)

[xraytheenforcer.livejournal.com]

Totally. I don't want to pick on people on my flist or yours, but I have heard all kinds of excuses for fat-hate, and I really just don't buy it. I guess I won't get into fights about it, but it makes me deeply uncomfortable (as someone who is still conflicted about her own body image) to see such derision over something trivial. Better to be fat and friendly than to be skinny and mean. Of course, it's best to be friendly and healthy (and, let's face it, most obese people are not doing their health any favors by carrying around 100 extra pounds, and there are quite a few morbidly obese people at SF conventions), without worrying about societal ideals of body shapes.

anyhoo -- the trans hate also really struck me. I was stunned to see so many of my friends and online acquaintances (LJ, the boards, elsewhere) express disgust over trans people. My gods, people. You'd think that trannies eat infants, for all the vindictiveness.

[keelieinblack.livejournal.com]

There's a (biased and rather poorly done, IMO) report on the WisCon thing at unfunnybusiness. Fandom Wank has begun to frown upon people who post reports of things that deal with racism, sexism, and similar topics--it's difficult to mock when the issues involved really are Serious Business.

(etrangere, sorry to hear about your teeth! I hope they feel better soon.)

[novin-ha.livejournal.com]

WHUT?!

::hugs:: Teeth are the worst. I've got very bad teeth and fear the dentist more than I fear most things.

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

One of the thing that kills me is how weight issues tie up with class. Because usually eating healthy takes money (and time!). I'm pretty certain that one of the big reason I'm average on the weight scale is that I come from a comfortable middle class origin and because my mother cooked all kinds of fresh food.

I'm still convinced that doing a lot of random diets (and then dropping them) is just as bad for one's body.

trans hate is really ugly yeah :( and is still a subject of lame jokes in most media.

I don't know if it's possible to be a woman today and not be conflicted about their own body image. It's just... all over the place in everyone's discourse and media and mothers making pointed comments all the time. It's like an opressive machinery of brainwashing telling us to obsess about our weight.

[werthead.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I need to sort my teeth out as well. Haven't been to the dentist since months before I went to Ireland (meant to go in Ireland but forgot that the no-NHS thing meant I'd have to pay a lot for it). Annoyingly, I've started getting more problems with my teeth the more care I've taken of them, which vexes me :-)

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

Thank you! And thank you. antipain medicine is starting to kick in thankfully!

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

I waited way too long to visit my dentist, that's why I have a lot of problems right now :'(

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

thanks!


and, yes, WHUT?! covers it. The stupid, it burns.

[novin-ha.livejournal.com]

Interestingly, this comment sounds worse to me when said by a guy (sexist? Or just more accustomed to girls commenting on appearance in both positive and negative terms?). But talking about people's smells is just -______- in general. Reminds me of when my female friend criticised my "too large" decollette publicly. Now that made me angry.

[catrionamacnair.livejournal.com]

I concede that it is not a nice insult. Nice insult, otoh, is a bit of an artefact.

We had a teacher at school who was insulted on behalf of excessive use of perfume. That was worse than any insult based on teaching qualification or mental disposition.

[scriva.livejournal.com]

Offers more virtual whiskey against the pain and more hugs against the annoyance. (Azula is annoyed as well.)

[shelled-avenger.livejournal.com]

Hope the teeth start feeling better soon (tooth pain, imo, is one of the worst kinds.) Use as excuse to drink lots of slushies.

[keynsha.livejournal.com]

Bah si tu veux pas que je continue, surtout ne me relance pas (surtout par SMS) en me disant que c'est pas drôle. C'est de la provocation plus qu'autre chose :-P
Et puis c'est sûr que si tu veux prendre tout commentaire au sérieux et d'un point de vue sexiste, forcément, c'est pas difficile. Bonne chance pour avoir des discussions intéressantes avec les gens à l'avenir ^_^°
'fin la prochaine fois, ça sera plus facile de ne pas prendre de nouvelles, je me fatiguerai pas donc. Ca sera plus "amical (?)" probablement.

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

d'accord, c'est ma faute.