Ranting about BSG, a bit.

[salinea]

quizz taken from sophieap

You Are a Pegasus

You are a perfectionist, with an eye for beauty. You know how to live a good life - and you rarely deviate from your good taste. While you aren't outgoing, you have excellent social skills. People both admire you - and feel very comfortable around you.

What Mythological Creature Are You?

yay winged horsie!

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You know, I've realised I tend to rant a lot of BSG on other people's journals & blogs & random places instead of doing it right here. I think it's because I have bashing in such a dislike that I'm afraid of doing it here, so I passive agressively do it elsewhere, which is all kind of stupid XD
So yeah, I've caught up on BSG and watched up to 4x10 Revelation. My thoughts are still kind of jumbly about it, and I'm not even sure if I liked it or not. I mean.... I liked moments, I liked scenes and images, there were a lot of extremely beautiful or enjoyable suches. But the overall narrative? I don't know what I think of it right now. I don't have the feel for it.


Otherwise, I hate Adama. Really, it's got to the point where it's affecting my enjoyment of the show, because he shows up on those big, emotionnal and dramatic scenes an I just want to mock him for his emoness. (Leemo had nothing on Ademo. Leemo didn't say things like 'I can't live without her' - Leemo didn't fail his responsibilities so strongly because he was busy being a 14 years old dramaking).

Speaking about Lee, he looks pretty in a suit. And I like it when he interacts with Zarek. I wish the politicking actually made sense, though. Like "Sine Qua None", well, let's not talk about Sine Qua Non, really... and I wish Zarek didn't only show up in episodes once in a while and when he's not there we really wonder where he is.

Kara. While I can't think of any moment when I wanted to scream at Kara, nor can I remember of any moments when she was genuinely awesome in the way I usually love Kara. Although there were a couple of places where it was close in "Revelation".

Not surprsingly, I still love Baltar even when he's at his most ludricously stupid. He's just so much fun to watch, ya know? But I'm as lost about where the character is going as I am about the overall narrative. I wish we got his PoV again, we haven't since the very early episodes of S4.

Gaeta. Oh, Gaeta. Such an adorable, sarcastic, heartbreaking woobie! He's becoming one of my favourite character of the show, definitely. Sexy voice, too. And yay, they've remembered Dee and Gaeta are *friends* which means we had Dee as something else than Dee's (ex)wife for the first time in several seasons!

Of Tight, Galen, Tory and Anders, Galen's the one I like most for being quite intriguingly broken, embittered as well as the former Chief I adored.
Tight's awesome of course, apart from the Tight/Caprica thing which LALALALALCAN'THEARYOULALALALA does exist because it's way too squicky. Likewise for the Cavil/Boomer, it shall not be mentioned again.
Anders is all kinda cute when he's wondering what'll happen if he sticks his hand on a Cylon Basetar computerware or when Kara says she'd shoot him if he was a Cylon, just adorable XD
Tory, poor Tory. She never had much character beyond being electoral fraud happy and a failure at rescuing babycybrid in emergency evacuation situation, and when she got personality it was as a flat evil Cylon personality. Poor Tory. Not to mention going along the LOL have sex with Baltar to get information! plan x_x;;;

Roslin has been fairly awesome in several episodes, to the point where I'm reconsidering my liking her which had suffered a lot since the middle of S2 (which possibly means I like her better with cancer :D) we had Magical!Elosha back more magical than ever with anvilly visions of anvil telling her to love Adama and stuff. And it was kind of silly. Mind you, the whole thing about killing-or-not-killing Baltar was brilliant, except I can't see Roslin not killing him because she's hardcore and ruthless and I like her like this even if I don't want Baltar to die, but connecting back to loving people is, yes, it's nice theme. Nice idea. But linking that to loving Adama is all kind of icky to me. Because I really hate Adama right now, and because it's anvilly after how much intimacy they've had so far this season (so what, they weren't having sex all this time? Oh, sorry, I forgot Adama was 14 and it would have been statutory rape. Maybe they were holding hands) and... I don't know, I felt it kind of tried to infantilize her.

What's left? I liked Natalie. I really find Tricia hotter when she's in a more natural looking outfit than the usual Six fashion. Athena kinda annoys me (is that it about the Opera House visions? WTF?). Helo's allright. No opinion one way or another on Cally. d'Anna kicks ass. Calvin is an enjoyable bastard to watch.

As for Revelation, I'm rather happy they got so early on Earth and so much story is left talking about what they're going to do from here (although it's still a question if it's at all inhabitable), in terms of both negotiating a long term peace with the Cylon and how to handle it. I'm really, really happy they don't end up on the not of finding a fried up Earth and that's it, end of show, which would have been a very clichéd and boring way to end the story. I'm relatively happy they didn't end up on modern age Earth because while it could make an interesting set up it would have mean they would been fucked up and just another refugee population.

Otherwise the show's lack of coherence, reliance on silly plot devices (the Hub reminded me of the male dragon in Reign of Fire, except Reign of Fire is supposed to be cheesy), lack of world building and excessive americanocentrism and judeochristianocentrism still annoy me.

And my favourite candidate for First Cylon is currently Romo's dead cat.

Comments

[a-white-rain.livejournal.com]

And my favourite candidate for First Cylon is currently Romo's dead cat.
It would make as much sense as any other option.

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

It's always the cat! Like in Alien!

[novin-ha.livejournal.com]

You know, I really can't agree with you here on a lot of points - though yet many more resonate with me - but I'm too wiped to discuss anything :(

Sine Qua Non was bad. Adamas are emo indeed (but I sort of get that). But I still adore this season and "The Hub" was pretty awesome in my opinion. I do think she could not kill him. She's approaching death herself and stuff... Also, how much meaning would it even have, killing him?

I love Baltar to pieces myself. He's my favourite character. Tricia looks hot when natural. Tory is kind of frakking scary - and she didn't go along with any plan in my opinion, she was doing whatever she wanted to test her new "power".

Natalie!Six was love.

Gaeta is awesome, I always thought that. Kara is NOT one of my favourite characters at all these days, because she is just too cruel for that, but she has moments when I love her fragile self.

I'm really looking forward to the next half-season. This one was full of awesome moments in my opinion, but it felt sort of... disjointed? Incoherent? The camera work was sort of weird, I think.

But I loved it, I admit it. Maybe I just don't have your keen eye ;)

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

Do disagree! I love it when people disagree with me :)

I didn't say I disliked it. Your word for it, "disjointed", is very good. It felt very disjointed to me and as a result I don't know if I liked it or not. I liked some episodes. The Hub was a good episode even if I didn't like everything in it. So was Revelation, and others which name I don't remember.

I never thought of Kara as cruel, that's odd. Why?

Tory is scary, but she feels flat to me.

Adama I've hated since a Day in the Life when he pushed one of my hate!button, I guess, but I didn't like him either before, and now I just don't have any patience for his paternalism, hypocrisy and self-righteousness. And tendency to think personal loyalty to HIM is the most important moral question.

About Roslin, no, it wouldn't have any meaning to kill him. But she loathes him, she really really does and she doesn't think he deserves to die. And, what Lee said at his trial.... but that's not how Roslin was thinking about it? Was it?

Meh. Nothing to do with keen eye or not. I'm hardly having a deep reaction to the show right now anyway.

[aubrem.livejournal.com]

I pretty much agree with everything you've said here. Especially regarding Bill Adama. God, they've ruined him. He used to be such a good character. "I can't live without her" was the worst line ever.

Also, I was a bit disappointed with the "final five minus one" reveal. I wanted more wrung out of each one but thinking over it over I guess what fit. Roslin had her shock over Tory. Tigh's as you've mentioned, was ruined by Bill Adama. The airlock bit was fabulous though. Anders and Kara were good - his rueful "it's true" I liked but I wanted more. I guess the most poignant was Galen because there is no one left to care. He was so popular, the center of things at one time and now he's just alone and bitter.

What ruins it all though is no one bothering to mention or care that none of these people knew they were cylons or wanted to be cylons. (Well, except Tory). It's just like Boomer. I do not understand this turning on friends, family and comrades who have done nothing wrong. I don't even think it's realistic. I think in that situation humanity would be clinging to everyone and everything it has feelings for.

The plot is flying by way too fast. Maybe to distract us from the fact that it doesn't make sense. It all needs to be fleshed out more - esp the cylon civil war. I've given up on the human politics.

Still, I *enjoy* this show. I am glued to it for the whole hour. I just with RDM had someone around who would make him make the plot lines hold together.

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

He was a good character; I didn't use to like him, but I used to like what he brought to the show... so long now.

You're right about the reveal being rushed. We might get more fallout now, I hope, unless they concentrate too much on Earth. :( Well, there's still fanfics.

What ruins it all though is no one bothering to mention or care that none of these people knew they were cylons or wanted to be cylons.
I'm not all that bothered, given that there hasn't been a lot of time to talk with them, and given how much the Cylons have done against Humanity I don't expect people to react very rationally to it.

Yeah, I enjoy it as well, but I enjoy ranting at it too :)

[mithrigil.livejournal.com]

I'm not nearly as enthused as I feel I should be about the end--like I said in that comment thread, Moore crossed the line back in S3 and is toeing it again now. There are a few things I want to see resolved his way; Boomer v. Athena, Kara and Leoben, who the remaining cylon is (duh) and precisely what the deal is with Gaius. But that's not enough to keep me on te edge of my seat until January, nor do I think it's enough to fill the ten episodes they have remaining.

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

Well, I'm still interested but I think I might rant a lot while I watch XD which is funny given I wasn't so ranty when watching a marathon of everything before S4.

I wonder if the remaining cylon is going to simply be the VirtualCollectiveOfHeadPeople...

[indigestible.livejournal.com]

I definitely agree with you about Adama and Roslin and the whole weepy you must love Adama storyline. Especially because, as you say, I kind of thought we were already there and had been for some time. The Adama/Roslin love festival in general would be so much more interesting to me if anyone, be they the involved parties or the people around them, would bother to look up and say, "wow, it's kind of fucked up to have ALL THE POWER IN THE FLEET concentrated in the hands of two people who are boning each other." Shouldn't someone at least pretend to be bothered by that? Especially since it has already actually interfered with fleet safety?

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

"wow, it's kind of fucked up to have ALL THE POWER IN THE FLEET concentrated in the hands of two people who are boning each other."
Haha, so true. Then again the thing's been a dictatorship in everything but name for a while now :p

[werthead.livejournal.com]

I compare watching Sine Qua Non to passing a kidney stone. Thoroughly unpleasent and painful, but the relief once it is over is tremendous. The things that happened in Sine Qua Non needed to happen - Lee becoming President, Adama acknowleding his feelings for Roslin (guess RDM's "They'll only be friends, it'll be so cliche if they end up together," thing got chucked out the window, possibly by former Buffy scribe Jane Espenson who came in as a producer this year and seems to be pretty ship-tastic), Zarek finally getting totally and officially marginalised - but they couldn't come up with a logical way of doing it. So they just wrote that ep, said, "Look it's crap, we know it's crap, you know it's crap, but it had to be done and now we can get on with the good stuff." I'll admit that I think Revelations is pretty awesome. The blog entry on Wednesday will delve into that in more detail I think :-)

From rewatching Season 1 with my friend, it struck me how much the early episodes were centred on Baltar's POV, and how far the show has drifted away from that (where has Head-Six been for the last few episodes?). Bringing that back would be a good way of anchoring the show for its final eleven episodes.

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

Lee becoming President
Except he won't stay it. And, yeah, ludicrous way for it to happen.

Adama acknowleding his feelings for Roslin
They needed that? Why? And while I'm not crazy of Jane Espenson's episodes, I find it unfair to blame the new girl for the shippiness :p they set up shippy dynamics since the middle of S2 at least.

Zarek finally getting totally and officially marginalised
Is he? Lee kept him as vice president, didn't he?

but they couldn't come up with a logical way of doing it.
For shame.

Revelation is pretty awesome, but they can't expect to shake us so much with badness without it having an effect on how we view the narrative as a whole.

From rewatching Season 1 with my friend, it struck me how much the early episodes were centred on Baltar's POV, and how far the show has drifted away from that
Yesssssss... I miss that :(

[werthead.livejournal.com]

"I find it unfair to blame the new girl for the shippiness"

True, although it was actually because I was misremembering who wrote what. She wrote The Hub, whilst Adama's flake-out was in the episode before ;-)

And Zarek is marginalised. One of the duties of the VP is to take over if something happens to the President. Except now he knows if anything happens to Lee, no-one will accept him as President so now his job is merely to whack Lee's gravel for him and call out, "ORDER!" occasionally. Having just watched Bastille Day again that seems a little lacking for someone of his ambitions.

[bop-radar.livejournal.com]

Really, it's got to the point where it's affecting my enjoyment of the show, because he shows up on those big, emotionnal and dramatic scenes an I just want to mock him for his emoness. (Leemo had nothing on Ademo. Leemo didn't say things like 'I can't live without her' - Leemo didn't fail his responsibilities so strongly because he was busy being a 14 years old dramaking).
AH! You are my soul sister in this! I COMPLETELY AGREE. :D

Such an adorable, sarcastic, heartbreaking woobie! He's becoming one of my favourite character of the show, definitely
Same same!

*scans rest of post* Actually just put me down in agreement on everything. ;)

And my favourite candidate for First Cylon is currently Romo's dead cat.
*hearts*

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

lol yes, I loved your own review as well ^^

*scans rest of post* Actually just put me down in agreement on everything. ;)
*giggles*

I need a cat icon...

[bop-radar.livejournal.com]

What do you think Romo's cat will do with it's powers once it reveals itself as the Final Cylon? (And do you think it will stroll up to them on Earth and be all 'why didn't you bring some fish, mrow?'? :D)

should we be worried that it will have it in for Lee for daring suggest that Jake could replace him? :)

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

Sets himself as their overlord of course, such as getting food all the time and being able to be as lazy as he wants. Which, all in all, is what every cats are...


Jake is doomed, I'm afraid. Now even Gaeta couldn't save him. *nods gloomily*

[bop-radar.livejournal.com]

It would be great if the mastermind behind the entire human-cylon war/apocalypse was... a cat that wanted really good food and laziness. He could be all: 'hi! do I have your attention now? Right. Bring ze milk!'

[rebbe]

Fuck yeah, Pegasus! He's awesoooooooooome.

WINGED HORSIE FOR THE WIN

(I... don't know whatever you're talking about, sadly, so sorry for the lame comment ;alksjdf;)