Once a Stranger

That is so bizarre, I was going to put up a meme on Monday about what ASOIAF characters' favorite TV shows would be. Catelyn's would totally be The Good Wife XD Peter = a more corrupted Ned, Will = a less slimy Petyr, Kalinda = a cynical Brienne ... her son is a Very Good Boy and the press calls her frigid, etc. Having lived there I can definitely see Catelyn Stark high-heeling around WASPy uptown/suburban Chicago in her Burberry coat too.

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SYNCHRONICITY FUCK YEAH XD

hahaha i'm not sure I follow you on the rest. (can't compute... cynical Brienne.) Will is a little bit slimy at least :D but not as sleazy.

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can't compute... cynical Brienne
Hahah true, she'd be like some Brienne-Bronn amalgamation ... which is weird.

I keep seeing Eli Gold as Petyr Baelish anyway. But hotter >.>

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OMG KALINDA IS TOTALLY FEM!BRONN!!

I keep seeing Eli Gold as Petyr Baelish anyway. But hotter >.>
This I can follow. Except exactly as hot XD

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I feel like Eli has a bit more gravitas than Petyr Baelish, that extra bit really does it for me. But I constantly remember all those casting threads (back when an ASOIAF tv show was just a hypothetical, hahah) with Alan Cumming for Littlefinger, and yeah, obvious connection had to be made. Now and then, very sporadically, I ship Alicia/Eli (just for hot sex).

Kalinda wouldn't kill babies though, but she could probably outsnark Bronn. OMG canons why so separate!

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... I kind of ship Alicia/Eli a bit as well (except Eli's married, no? that's why the "a bit") or Alicia/Kalinda; but I'm not sure if that's not just finding both ladies very hot XD

I didn't know Alan Cumming before so!!

OMG canons why so separate!
HAHAHA so true!

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Oh yes you're right, Eli's married ... it's the kind of ship that works better the more it's denied anyway :P Alicia/Kalinda is awesome too ♥♥♥ But I could ship Kalinda with almost anyone.

Alan Cumming was Kurt/Nightcrawler in one of the X-Men movies and I think he was in a James Bond movie too? Anyway Alan Cumming 5 years ago -- I could even see Petyr Baelish wearing a blazer just. that. tacky.

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Thanks for making me like Eli Gold more.

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Hehehehe, I was going to say that Alicia was like the modern-day Catelyn (except not really, because I think Catelyn wouldn't choose to be a housewife, but her mannerisms and poise are like how I imagine Catelyn).

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I dunno, I could see a modern day Catelyn Stark giving up her career under the circumstances Alicia did (and then getting back into it the way Alicia did too).

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She seems to be not much of a homebody, and she likes being in charge. I have a hard time seeing her living her life in a supporting role unless there's a clear-cut rule saying it's her duty to do so. Even where there is such a rule, she ends up being more of an active partner, like with Ned.

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But Alicia only quit her career when she had a baby, that seems like an appropriate call of duty. Lots of socioeconomic pressures still incentivize mothers taking time off rather than fathers, making it practical too. Both Peter's and Alicia's careers are *so* time/energy-consuming (otherwise two career households are pretty normal) and there isn't a whole castle of free help. Re. homebody, well society is so different, there wasn't anywhere to go in Westeros except, like, market, and other castles, and politicians' careers don't have much to do with staying in vs going out anyway.

She might insert herself into her husband's career more than Alicia seems to have, and anyway I could see her working in a less demanding career. But Alicia's whole Retired Gunslinger thing *vaguely* reminds me of Cat returning south, out of touch with the game she might've been good at if she hadn't gone north.

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But Alicia only quit her career when she had a baby, that seems like an
appropriate call of duty

Not an iron-clad one, and to feel that it's a duty would require some conservative notions of gender roles. I also think the life of a suburban housewife with a politician husband is pretty damn restrictive, and someone like Catelyn (duty-bound but also take-charge) would need an iron-clad rule telling her to do it if she were to accept it. I guess I see Catelyn as relatively progressive for a medieval woman, and Alicia as relatively conservative for a modern woman (not necessarily in politics, but in lifestyle). I do see what you mean about the going south/coming back to work thing, though.

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to feel that it's a duty would require some conservative notions of gender roles
Someone in this position could feel like their child deserves some hands-on parental care regardless of gender, but then that's where the socioeconomic pressures come in. There are plenty of women of all politics who have to put their career on hold simply because it's just easier for men to continue working. Men don't get paternity leave, places are unwilling to hire/promote women in their 20s and 30s because those are child-bearing years (regardless of whether or not they profess to wanting children), etc.

I also think the life of a suburban housewife with a politician husband is pretty damn restrictive
Well with all due respect ... I think that's a sterotypical viewpoint. Housewives/SAHMs aren't now what you'd think of from the 1950's, nor are they all what you'd see on The Real Housewives of XYZ. Or at least, I'm not really sure what restrictions would be on her that didn't relate to being a mother and in politics (and thus would apply if she was a working mother too)? And that shouldn't be a problem for Catelyn considering her lifestyle. She might be somewhat progressive as far as careers go (she wasn't exactly advocating for equal standing in the eyes of the law, and she yielded power when it was practical to do so), but for example I doubt she'd have sex outside marriage or something like that (she isn't judgy about it either, but neither does Alicia strike me that way).

I think Alicia's pretty normal for a modern woman of her particular social stratum, I know a lot of women like her (my aunt is ... very similar). Our generation will be different, but we're 25, not 40 with kids. Society really doesn't make it easy for mothers to have fast track careers.

Edited Date: 12 February 2011 06:18 am (UTC)

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Well with all due respect ...
I think that's a sterotypical viewpoint.

I don't know, everything I've read about prominent politicians and their wives suggests that they do get judged by a 1950s standard, and the political game seems to be set up to rely on that standard (where you're at a disadvantage if you're not a man who has a wife who acts in a certain way). We're not talking about an ordinary private individual who chooses to stay at home.

I understand the socioeconomic pressures, and why a couple who thinks the kids need a parent at home would end up picking the mom for that job. It's still pretty different to my mind from a clear-cut duty. The idea of duty in the modern world can cut in both directions (either in favor of staying at home or in having a career), IMO.

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but her mannerisms and poise are like how I imagine Catelyn)
YES that's definitly what strikes me. The way she goes so easily quietly and dignified badass, very soft power, empathetic & closely guarded at the same time. All very Cat.

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Kalinda=Brienne!!! FTW!

ETA: Fem/Bronn--even better!

There's a bit of Tyrion in Louis Canning (or vice-versa...)

Also,wish I hadn't already known about the casting of Sansa when I saw The Tudors. Catherine Howard is definitely not Sansa, but I'll keep seeing her when I watch GoT. Or maybe not.

Edited Date: 11 February 2011 10:51 pm (UTC)

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