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top five worst father

5- Bill Adama (Battlestar Galactica) that "do not mistake this for approval" icon is brilliantly accurate. Nothing is ever good enough for Adama, and everything is always about how he feels.

4- Gendo Ikari (Evangelion) They've named the fictional award to bad father for him for a reason.

3- Ozai (Avatar the Last Airbender) to Azula as much as to Zuko

2- Tywin Lannister (A Song of Ice and Fire) for Tyrion and for Cersei especially, though I liked how the TV show high lightened to wasn't exactly perfect with Jaime either.

1- Gerald Tarrant (Coldfire trilogy) the most horrible thing is, he was probably a good father, until he, you know, murdered his children.

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[runespoor7.livejournal.com]

I'll need context to judge. Offspring-killing is much more common in fiction than you'd believe, and that's what makes things really horrible.

...No, don't tell me #2. I'm still wondering if I'm not going to read/watch the series.

I can actually believe that David Cain loved Cass, and more importantly Cass also believes it.
I'm typing my own Top 5, and that's precisely the reason I give why I think he's more frightening than others on my list. D:

Ohahahaha, Slade is just... reallyreallyreally fucked up as a father. On the one hand, he clearly loves his children and he occasionally wants the best for them, even if the best includes being in the Titans. Otoh, he killed one of his sons, is part of the reason why his other son became mute, and put his daughter on crazy-making super-strength serum, before putting Kryptonite in the eye-socket from which she'd taken her own eye out in an attempt to get his approval (the sad part is he approved of her before). But he loves them and he'll raise hell if something happens to them and he cares about all of them as a family!

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

He killed them (and his wife) in order to make a ritual to transform himself into a vampiric creature and thus be immortal. Which he needs to be in order to see to completion his large scale magic-social experiment on the planet he is. Roughly. And you're right offspring killing is relatively common in fiction (and not that rare in real life either) but it stays with me because he's one of the main protagonist and framed as an anti-heroic character, not as a villain.

Otoh, he killed one of his sons, is part of the reason why his other son became mute, and put his daughter on crazy-making super-strength serum
That does sound pretty bad.

How much is character derailment compared to stuff that are true to the character?

[runespoor7.livejournal.com]

Yeah okay that works. (you had me at "be immortal".)

I tend to think that all the stuff Slade did to his kids is true to his character, except maybe the Kryptonite, and as we don't know for sure how long he intended on letting her have it in her skull... It's Slade. It's not like he doesn't do mindgames. Sometimes he does mindgames by not doing mindgames. At times he's presented as more of an anti-hero than an all-black villain, which works for me.

Nuking Blüdhaven was OOC for Deathstroke. The stuff with Rose?... Debatable. He did get her one of the best teachers around.

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

Interesting.

I love characters who are into mindgames, I'd probably love him too XDD

[q99.livejournal.com]

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I can actually believe that David Cain loved Cass, and more importantly Cass also believes it.
I'm typing my own Top 5, and that's precisely the reason I give why I think he's more frightening than others on my list. D:-

One of the odd things is, if he had never had her kill that guy, or waited until she was much older, she'd probably grow up by his side and they'd both still be in a happy loving relationship. Probably doing father/daughter jobs.

And even with that schism between them, he cares for her a lot and doesn't try as messed up stuff as Slade does. He doesn't try and force her to be back on his side or anything, she made her choice, he regrets it, but he still loves her no matter that she's a hero.

[runespoor7.livejournal.com]

*HIDES UNDER THE SOFA* DDDDDDD:

she made her choice, he regrets it, but he still loves her no matter that she's a hero
That's true, and that's one point for David Cain. (Though in Slade's defense, and I can barely believe I am actually writing this, he too continues to love his kids after they become heroes.) But that's true of Cain, as well. He's content with the souvenirs he has of her childhood. I don't know if I'm more reassured or creeped out.

[q99.livejournal.com]

After they become heroes and are reasonably happy, Slade'll still drop into their lives and mess that up, though.

[runespoor7.livejournal.com]

Yeah, but that's due at least as much because of the nature of comics as because of Slade's character. Comics require conflicts and drama, and Slade is a source of drama and conflicts for his children.

[q99.livejournal.com]

Which still has him doing stuff like hiring a mercenary to kill Rose's adoptive parents.

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

*HIDES UNDER THE SOFA* DDDDDDD:
aww *hugs*