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top five worst father

5- Bill Adama (Battlestar Galactica) that "do not mistake this for approval" icon is brilliantly accurate. Nothing is ever good enough for Adama, and everything is always about how he feels.

4- Gendo Ikari (Evangelion) They've named the fictional award to bad father for him for a reason.

3- Ozai (Avatar the Last Airbender) to Azula as much as to Zuko

2- Tywin Lannister (A Song of Ice and Fire) for Tyrion and for Cersei especially, though I liked how the TV show high lightened to wasn't exactly perfect with Jaime either.

1- Gerald Tarrant (Coldfire trilogy) the most horrible thing is, he was probably a good father, until he, you know, murdered his children.

Comments

[a-white-rain.livejournal.com]

Haha I was going to add stuff about him being bad to Azula but I was lazy.

ALSO ADAMA. SO HORRIBLE.

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

it cracks me up that Chalulu (of Code Geas) and David Cain do not even make the top five.

Adama is one of two characters I actually, genuinely HATE. I almost never hate fictional characters. But Adama really argh me.

[a-white-rain.livejournal.com]

What is the other?

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

Stannis Baratheon, from A Song of Ice and Fire

[ariss-tenoh.livejournal.com]

That's a good list. I loathed Ikari while watching the Eva series.

Though I think Lionel Luthor from SV should be on that list too.

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

Gendo is epically bad. I kind of love him for it.


If I had ever watched Smallville, he might have been XD

[matitablu.livejournal.com]

I keep thinking that Gendo and Tywin are essentially the same person. As a matter of fact, I might have an inappropriate crush on both of them (just don't ask >.>;).

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

I think Gendo is like Tywin if Tywin was Littlefinger. If that makes any sense.

I have a little crush on Gendo. not on Tywin though.

[puella-nerdii.livejournal.com]

I think Tywin's a dickbag to Jaime in the books, too, especially in Storm of Swords when he disowns him. (Then again, Tywin is pretty much the textbook definition of 'dickbag.' The only reason I can tolerate him more than I can tolerate Joffrey is that Tywin, for all that he's a horrible human being, can actually run a country.)

And re: your above comment about Stannis, oh man. STANNIS, YOU DO NOT DESERVE DAVOS. >:(((((((((((

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

Tywin disowns Jaime in SoS? I'd forgotten that. But you're right, he's also a dickwag to him, generally speaking. A really awful father.

The only reason I can tolerate him more than I can tolerate Joffrey is that Tywin, for all that he's a horrible human being, can actually run a country.)
I blame Joff less, because he's a child. Tywin is able to run a country, pretty good at it even, which is tragic in a way - but he's also very able to ruin a country, as he did, very deliberately, with the Riverlands. He choses his monsters very purposefully for that aim.
OtoH he's a much, much more interesting character than Joffrey - Joff is very flat and boring, really.

STANNIS, YOU DO NOT DESERVE DAVOS. >:(((((((((((
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA so true! I love Davos! Why work for that asshole Davos? ;_;

[runespoor7.livejournal.com]

...You mean there's a worse father than Ozai?

...I... don't think that fits in my paradigm. "worst father in the history of fathers", which I am cosigning with all my heart. (Never saw Evangelion, but from what I hear I keep thinking that Ozai blows Gendo Ikari outta the planet. Ozai started with tiny!Zuko scared that his dad might kill him. Of course Azula is the one who put the idea in Zuko's mind, but still. Zuko was scared. That's actually Ozai at his best.)

Also I think one reason why Ozai is so horrible above all other horrible fathers is because of how young Azula and Zuko are. (admittedly he's the only one I really know on this list)

I also think that David Cain might be somewhere in my top five. Or if he's not it's because I don't find him an interesting character enough on his own, without taking his daughter into account. ...Is it wrong of me that I think Cain is a worse father than Deathstroke? I like Slade a lot as a character and I think that confuses my judgement.

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

...You mean there's a worse father than Ozai?
Well #1 actually murdered his (two of) his children. (And hilariously, is actually the anti-hero of the story in question, and I love him dearly as a character).

#2, well if you really want to know what he did to rate as worse than Ozai, I can tell, it's kind of a horrible story though, so I'm warning first.

David Cain, I dunno, he's probably rate a place in a top 10 - as I said it kind of crack me up he didn't even make it; but I can actually believe that David Cain loved Cass, and more importantly Cass also believes it. She also believes he's proud of her (though it may be for all the wrong reasons). So in a way that makes him better than Ozai, Gendo, Adama & co.

Is it wrong of me that I think Cain is a worse father than Deathstroke?
I don't know enough about Slade to know how bad or not he is as a father tbh.

[q99.livejournal.com]

Yea. It's weird to say but by the standards of psychotic parents, David Cain is *surprisingly good,* even with occasionally shooting Cassandra.

[runespoor7.livejournal.com]

I'll need context to judge. Offspring-killing is much more common in fiction than you'd believe, and that's what makes things really horrible.

...No, don't tell me #2. I'm still wondering if I'm not going to read/watch the series.

I can actually believe that David Cain loved Cass, and more importantly Cass also believes it.
I'm typing my own Top 5, and that's precisely the reason I give why I think he's more frightening than others on my list. D:

Ohahahaha, Slade is just... reallyreallyreally fucked up as a father. On the one hand, he clearly loves his children and he occasionally wants the best for them, even if the best includes being in the Titans. Otoh, he killed one of his sons, is part of the reason why his other son became mute, and put his daughter on crazy-making super-strength serum, before putting Kryptonite in the eye-socket from which she'd taken her own eye out in an attempt to get his approval (the sad part is he approved of her before). But he loves them and he'll raise hell if something happens to them and he cares about all of them as a family!

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

though runespoor7 bellow seems to disagree ^^ I think it's because she hasn't read ASOIAF. (and i didn't even count Craster for that list! because Craster is less a father and more like pure unadultared nightmare fuel! - though probably I should have count Tarly. Tarly might rate #5.)

[q99.livejournal.com]

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I don't know enough about Slade to know how bad or not he is as a father tbh.-

Oh, he's pretty lousy. All his kids either followed him into the mercenary life (at his encouragement, getting his first son killed), became a Teen Titan, or both. At one point he mind-controlled drugged his daughter Rose to switch from the Titan's side to his team (and she loses an eye as a result), and his history with his son Jericho is worse. At one point he realizes how trying to personally keep his kids safe keeps backfiring, and his response to that is to go after them to drive them away into the arms of the Titans and count on that team to protect them.

He's not the very worst, he does try and care for/help his kids most of the time, it's just that the ways he does it are so horrible that they often end up maimed, dead, or so on. Personally I'd take Cain over him.

[dajamieson.livejournal.com]

No Darth Vader?:p

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

He killed them (and his wife) in order to make a ritual to transform himself into a vampiric creature and thus be immortal. Which he needs to be in order to see to completion his large scale magic-social experiment on the planet he is. Roughly. And you're right offspring killing is relatively common in fiction (and not that rare in real life either) but it stays with me because he's one of the main protagonist and framed as an anti-heroic character, not as a villain.

Otoh, he killed one of his sons, is part of the reason why his other son became mute, and put his daughter on crazy-making super-strength serum
That does sound pretty bad.

How much is character derailment compared to stuff that are true to the character?

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

bah, he doesn't even rate the top #10

[q99.livejournal.com]

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I can actually believe that David Cain loved Cass, and more importantly Cass also believes it.
I'm typing my own Top 5, and that's precisely the reason I give why I think he's more frightening than others on my list. D:-

One of the odd things is, if he had never had her kill that guy, or waited until she was much older, she'd probably grow up by his side and they'd both still be in a happy loving relationship. Probably doing father/daughter jobs.

And even with that schism between them, he cares for her a lot and doesn't try as messed up stuff as Slade does. He doesn't try and force her to be back on his side or anything, she made her choice, he regrets it, but he still loves her no matter that she's a hero.

[hamsterwoman]

*makes interested note of this*

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

You make him sound more... horribly clumsy than malicious. Which makes me understand why runespoor would rate him higher than Cain, while he could be even more harmful to the kids at the same time.

[runespoor7.livejournal.com]

Yeah okay that works. (you had me at "be immortal".)

I tend to think that all the stuff Slade did to his kids is true to his character, except maybe the Kryptonite, and as we don't know for sure how long he intended on letting her have it in her skull... It's Slade. It's not like he doesn't do mindgames. Sometimes he does mindgames by not doing mindgames. At times he's presented as more of an anti-hero than an all-black villain, which works for me.

Nuking Blüdhaven was OOC for Deathstroke. The stuff with Rose?... Debatable. He did get her one of the best teachers around.

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

Interesting.

I love characters who are into mindgames, I'd probably love him too XDD

[etrangere.livejournal.com]

does that mean you're intrigued by Gendo Ikari? (oh god, i've no idea what you'd make of Evangelion).